Tim Conway- Doctrine of Hell

In putting this video on I would like to reiterate that I do not believe in Turn or Burn preaching. Preaching of such sorts fails to acknowledge the grace, love and mercy of God and salvation through Christ Jesus. However, Hell is a reality that many in the supposed evangelical circus fail to proclaim as SOLID BIBLICAL TRUTH AND REALITY. The world is in denial…..many in the church are in denial about this fundamental Christian truth. Its “offensive”, “hurtful”, some might say it is “evil”. Maybe if the church was to realise the fate that awaits those who don’t have Christ…..who have not repented….then maybe there would be more of an urgency regarding evangelism. Maybe there would be an ever-increasing realisation of the disgusting health, wealth and prosperity heretics and the like. Friends, the doctrine of Hell should cause us to flee to Christ in repentance. Do not let your hearts be hardened. Oh that the world would have their eyes opened to the peril that awaits shoould a person die without Christ. May this video sermon encourage us to proclaim Jesus Christ boldly….in Spirit and in Truth.

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4 comments on “Tim Conway- Doctrine of Hell

  1. I wanted to comment on the following words

    “I do not believe in Turn or Burn preaching. Preaching of such sorts fails to acknowledge the grace, love and mercy of God and salvation through Christ Jesus. However, Hell is a reality…”

    If you believe in the “Burn” aspect, how could you not preach “Turn or Burn” every time you spoke as that is what you have to offer people. Tell it like it is!!! It is your responsibility if you really believe it!

    What is this grace, love, mercy, and salvation through Jesus Christ stuff if “Turn and Burn” is your gospel.

    Do you believe that Paul’s writings are inspired of God? Do you believe that Jesus revealed to Paul what he knew? Do you believe that Paul was charged with carrying the gospel to the Gentiles?

    Consider the following. I used the most “hell” filled version that I am aware of which is the KJV and I ran a concordance check on the word “hell” and the results for all of Paul’s writings was zero!!! This begs the question that if when Jesus uses the words Gehenna or Hades and they get translated “hell”, but Paul never uses any word that got translated “hell”, and Paul was charged with carrying the gospel to the Gentiles, and if it is an important doctrine, what’s up???? Could it be that Jesus’ metaphorical use of Gehenna (The Valley of Hinnom), the garbage dump of Jerusalem did not imply a place of “eternal” torment, but was to convey another meaning?

    The following epitomizes Paul’s teachings:

    Rom 5:18 “Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men.”

    This doctrine of hell is on shaky traditional ground and is based on mistranslation and on an incorrect understanding of the originals words behind it.

    God bless your studies!

  2. When i say “turn or burn” preaching i refer to preaching that is judgemental in nature in that it tells people the truth in an unloving, uncaring manner. I refer to such preaching that does nothing but preach turn or burn but does not expand on the grace that is offered through repentance and belief in Jesus Christ for salvation.

    Consider Luke 16:19-31

    [19] “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. [20] At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores [21] and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

    [22] “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. [23] In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. [24] So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

    [25] “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. [26] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

    [27] “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, [28] for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

    [29] “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

    [30] ” ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

    [31] “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

    He is in “hell.” The Greek word used here is Hades, the place of the dead, and in Jewish thought, the intermediate place of the dead prior to the final judgment.[7] Though Greek gehenna is usually used to refer to the place of final punishment, in Jewish literature torment can be a feature of the intermediate state as well as of the final state of the wicked.[8]

    He is in torment, Greek basanos, “severe pain occasioned by punitive torture, ‘torture, torment.’ “[9] He is parched with thirst, his tongue is hot and dry, and he is suffering. The Greek verb used here is odunao, “to undergo physical torment, ‘suffer pain.’ “[10] The source of the suffering is fire.

    Abraham explains the situation and describes a great, impassable chasm (Greek chasma) that prevents anyone from passing from either side to the other. In other words, there is no hope of moving from torment to the blessings of Abraham’s bosom, or of Lazarus helping the rich man. The die has been cast; the outcome is irreversible.

    Hell is a reality. That is why Jesus Christ said “No-one comes to the Father except through me”…..and the very first thing that Jesus began to preach, and to say was, “Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”…..also consider the very first words of the very first sermon by Peter in Acts 2:38 “Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

    Without repentance and faith in Jesus Christ a person is not saved………….they remain in sin…….and as such are still subject to the wrath of God….

    To deny the existence of Hell is to deny a fundamental Christian/Biblical truth and as such I, along with many others, along with the Apostles, the early Church Fathers, Augustine, Calvin, Luther, Jonathan Edwards, the Puritans, C.H Spurgeon, J.C Ryle, A.W. Tozer, John Piper, John Macarthur, many more and most importantly….Jesus Christ himself….hold fast to this biblical truth.

    I appreciate your comment and pray God will lead you into all truth brother. I hope my answer is clear enough as I am currently in work and have had to rush it a little!!

    For further discourse and reading on this the following link (copy and paste as the link feature is not currently functioning at time of post) may prove informative and useful:

    http://www.reformedonline.com/view/reformedonline/hell.htm

    God Bless

  3. The parable of a certain rich man and a certain beggar named Lazarus does not say anything about “eternal torment”. This only gets implied if you have a bias for eternal torment. Remember that the word “hades” means the unseen realm as made abundantly clear when the Septuagint makes “hades” the Greek equivalent to the Hebrew “sheol”, and an analysis of the usage of “sheol” shows us that it means the grave or unseen realm with no negative connotation. Note that this parable does not discuss whether one is a believer or not but simply that one was rich and one was poor. Being a parable, that is a fictitious story to convey a meaning that is only spiritually discernable, we can take nothing literally. Today, my understanding is that the rich man = Jews and Lazarus = Gentiles and the message is that you Jews should have treated the Gentiles better and you Jews are going to endure some torment, albeit not eternal. Note the use of the word “dogs” which is a name for Gentiles and note the mention of “crumbs” and be reminded of the Gentile lady who approached Jesus and His disciples one day asking for the gift of healing of her daughter and her mention of “crumbs” relative to Gentiles.

    Please consider the following article I produced the other day.

    After Robert Young had spent about half of his lifetime studying Hebrew and Greek, he finished translating the Bible in his “Young’s Literal Translation” (YLT) in 1862. Some 36 years later he released his 3rd and final edition in 1898. Robert had grown up reading the KJV and realized, as many have over the years, that the world of Bible students desperately needed a version with greater clarity and understanding of many words, as the KJV had this bad habit of translating a single Hebrew or Greek word into many different English words. Translators know this is warranted in those cases where you have different shades of meaning, but the KJV seemed out of control in this area and left the student with wrong ideas about certain word meanings. For example, the English verb “destroy” in the KJV is used for 49 different Hebrew words (this can be seen in the Englishman’s Hebrew Concordance, p. 1510, 2nd edition). This is but one example of many.

    Concerning the use of the word hell, and the doctrine of hell that was instituted as an article of faith in the 6th century, Robert Young realized as many have that the word “hell” was a terribly poor choice of an English word for “sheol”, “hades”, “gehenna”, or “tartarus” since the word “hell” had picked up some baggage from its basic meaning of “hidden” or “unseen”, as is the proper understanding of this Anglo-Saxon word. In the intertestamental period, some notions out of pagan mythology became associated with the unseen realm of the dead. At some point in the development of English versions, this word for the unseen realm, “hell”, took on a concept such as what Dante’s fantasizing had envisioned in his “inferno”.

    Note in the following list of the number of times that the word “hell” appears is quite variable, ranging from 94 to 0. One of a number of those without the word “hell” is Young’s Literal Translation. Young is not alone among versions without the word “hell”. We have many people probably thinking that Jesus actually spoke the English word “hell” during those 8 addresses that Jesus used the words “gehenna “ or “hades”. Here is the list of versions with the number of times that “hell” occurs.
    DRB: 94, KJV: 54, MSG: 54, GW: 35, RV: 28, BBE: 25, GNB: 21, LITV: 20, NET: 16, ESV: 14, RSV: 13, NASB: 13, AMP: 13, DARBY: 12 , CLT: 0, ROTH: 0, YLT: 0

    When the words “sheol”, “gehenna”, “hades”, and “tartarus” are analyzed by usage, the only one that holds a possible association with the punishment of humans is “gehenna”. Gehenna is a geographical location, the Valley of Hinnom adjacent to Jerusalem. This was their city dump, where even bodies of criminals were dumped. When Jesus metaphorically spoke to the crowds using the word Gehenna, his audience, the Jews, knew exactly what he was referring to. These addresses involving the use of the word Gehenna were parables all if we are to believe Mat 13:34, “All this Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed he said nothing to them without a parable.” We need to remember that a parable is a fictional story with a spiritually discernable message. One is hard-pressed to find “eternal” associated with “Gehenna”. Now, when you do find the words “eternal”, “everlasting”, “for ever”, etc., they are translations of “aion” and “aionios”. A search of the usage of the noun “aion” and its adjective “aionios” reveals that these words are associated with limited duration, so to also translate them as unlimited duration, one must question the validity. These words are clearly associated with “ages” or “eons” and at least one version has chosen to translate them “eon” and “eonian”.

    Jesus’ uses of the word “gehenna” was confined to Jewish audiences as indicated in one of His missional statements (“…only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”). Jesus commissioned Saul (Paul) to carry the kingdom message to the Gentiles. One would think, in Jesus’ revealings to Paul, the message would be the same, unless as some believe, the gospel was different to the Jew than if was the Gentile. Also, Paul said, as recorded by Luke in Acts, that he did not fail to declare the whole counsel of God. What then is interesting to see is that the word “hell” or “gehenna” is not in any of Paul’s writings nor in the gospel of John, Hebrews, 1 Peter, or 1, 2, 3 John. Since Jesus commissioned and revealed to Paul, if the doctrine of hell is true, it is incomprehensible that Paul would not mention it many times and very explicitly. Some will argue that we should give more weight to what Jesus personally said. But if you believe that Paul was inspired to speak the message Jesus would have him to speak, then essentially when Paul speaks, Jesus speaks. The most disciplinary-sounding words that Paul wrote are found in 2Th 1:9, “They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,…” The words “eternal destruction” are the translation of “olethron aionion”, which could be translated “eonian correction”. This word “olethron” which is translated “destruction” is the same word use in 1Co 5:5, “you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” We see here that “destruction” serves the purpose of preparing the person for life in the presence of God, “that his spirit may be saved…”

    Relative to “aionion”, note what Vincent has to say in Vincent’s Word Studies: Additional Note on ὄλεθρον αἰώνιον eternal destruction, 2Th_1:9
    Ἁιών transliterated eon, is a period of time of longer or shorter duration, having a beginning and an end, and complete in itself.
    The word always carries the notion of time, and not of eternity. It always means a period of time. Otherwise it would be impossible to account for the plural, or for such qualifying expressions as this age, or the age to come. It does not mean something endless or everlasting. The adjective αἰώνιος in like manner carries the idea of time. Neither the noun nor the adjective, in themselves, carry the sense of endless or everlasting. Ἁιώνιος means enduring through or pertaining to a period of time. Both the noun and the adjective are applied to limited periods. Ζωὴ αἰώνιος eternal life, which occurs 42 times in N.T., but not in lxx, is not endless life, but life pertaining to a certain age or eon, or continuing during that eon. I repeat, life may be endless. The life in union with Christ is endless, but the fact is not expressed by αἰώνιος. Κόλασις αἰώνιος, rendered everlasting punishment (Mat_25:46), is the punishment peculiar to an eon other than that in which Christ is speaking.

    This doctrine is built on tradition, mistranslations, the institution of the Catholic Church , backing by the state, and perpetuated by the likes of Augustine and other “popular” and influential people. It can get entrenched just like the Roman Catholic Church did and people begin to believe that if the majority believe in something it must be true and history has surely taught us better than placing any trust in humans, preachers, institutions, etc. Jer. 17:5, “Thus says the LORD: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.
    Jer 17:6 He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land.
    Jer 17:7 “Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose trust is the LORD.
    Jer 17:8 He is like a tree planted by water, that sends out its roots by the stream, and does not fear when heat comes, for its leaves remain green, and is not anxious in the year of drought, for it does not cease to bear fruit.”
    Pulling out the key statements relative to trust, we have the following.
    “Cursed is the man who trusts in man”
    But
    “Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD”

    Many need to re-think this inherited doctrine which makes God out the hypocrite in that He through Jesus instructed us to “love your enemies”, whereas He, by this doctrine if true, is not willing to show a love that “never fails” to His enemies. And by the way, these “enemies” of God were declared righteous by the blood of Jesus.

    Rom 5:6-10 “For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, because we have now been declared righteous by his blood, we will be saved through him from God’s wrath. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled, will we be saved by his life?

    Note that a summary of these verses could be the following:
    While we were helpless ungodly sinners who were His enemies, Christ died for us, declared us righteous by his blood, will save us from God’s wrath, and reconciled us to God through His death.

    Helpless ungodly sinners who were enemies of God and Christ may be words written to those of Rome who were currently believers, but here Paul is obviously referencing their status with God prior to their becoming believers. Therefore the being reconciled to God and declared righteous occurred prior to belief since these descriptions are hardly of believers.

    At the foot of the cross were many helpless ungodly sinners who were the enemies of Jesus, yet He said, “Father forgive them for they don’t know what they are doing”. I believe the Father was in agreement with this prayer of Jesus and so their sins were or will be forgiven on the merits of Jesus alone. Mankind was declared righteous, or justified on that day. Paul reinforces the fact of being declared righteous was for all mankind a few verses later in Rom 5:18, “Consequently, just as one offense resulted in condemnation for everyone, so one act of righteousness results in justification and life for everyone.”

  4. So what you are basically saying is that no-one stands condemned and everyone goes to heaven? Then my friend i say to you that God is not a God of justice and therefore the Bible lies…….for the rapists, paedophiles, murderers etc stand free…….without repentance..even though Christ calls us all to repent Matthew 4:17 and he also called the disciples to preach repentance in His name (Luke 24:27). Jesus also said “No one comes to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME”……friend I do not know why or how you came to the conclusion that there is no hell and eternal punishment…but quite frankly i fear that you have been duped and have been led astray. It is no secret that the doctrine of Hell is under attack by liberal thelogians and even people-pleasers within conservative evangelicalism…do not be so arrogant to claim that 1900 years of Christians in this world were wrong…that is the problem with our society today and especially so many “Christians”…we think we know so much more than the faithful Christian (Reformed) of the past. When in reality they were much more pious, knowledgeable and faithful to God than we will ever be. They did not just accept their beliefs because it was the “traditional” belief. Rather earnest study of the Word and the illumination of the Holy Spirit in this process allowed them to determine the doctrine of Hell to be biblically true outside of anything they had been previously told. May i commend to you the book Heaven and Hell by Edward Donnelly for a more learned and scholarly response to this heretical view. When Paul says “us” he is referring to believers by the way…not unbelievers…”us” is not inclusive of unbelievers. It is those who are in Christ. How can you not see that?? I will tell you how….it is a pretdetermined conclusion and YOU WANT it to mean that and so you accept it as meaning that.

    One more thing: You said;

    “I believe the Father was in agreement with this prayer of Jesus and so their sins were or will be forgiven on the merits of Jesus alone. Mankind was declared righteous, or justified on that day”

    Again, that is a predetermined conclusion on your part. You believe? What a hypocritical thing to say after saying “history has surely taught us better than placing any trust in humans, preachers, institutions, etc. Jer. 17:5, “Thus says the LORD: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.” you are the one trusting your own opinion here; your own flesh. You are also completely ignoring the statement in this verse about turning away from the Lord. Clearly it indicates that turning away from the Lord aint a good thing……yet think of the masses today who have turned away from God…..which is a sin……..hence they need to repent and trust in Jesus.

    The doctrine of Hell is not based on mans external beliefs…it is truth revealed in the Words of Scripture…those in this post-modern era who believe and listen to man-made philosophical ideologies are abandoning sound doctrine and are the ones in danger of that verse in Jeremiah. Consider Colossians 8 “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world and not according to Christ”

    There is no scriptural evidence to support the belief you just stated and therefore I regard it as a twisting of scripture and untrue. Jesus praying for the people below that cross that day was an example of the boundless compassion of the divine grace of God.

    In the Old Testament people had to offer their own sacrifice for their sin….likewise Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for our sins…..but instead of US bringing the sacrifice….he OFFERED HIMSELF….but that does not mean everyone’s sins are forgiven. Rather the truth is that we must now COME TO the Cross and repent and show that
    we trust in Christ for our salvation. If we don’t repent and trust in Christ then we are still in our sins.

    John 3:18 states

    “He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who DOES NOT BELIEVE IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God”

    Romans states

    10:4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes”…what about those who dont believe Mr Hicks?? (i dont expect and answer to that- its rhetorical as the answer is clear)
    “There is now no condemnation for those WHO ARE IN Christ Jesus”….nb…you are only free from condemnation when you are IN…yes thats right IN Christ Jesus…if you are Outside of Jesus…that is unrepentant and unbelieving then you are still condemned.

    or how about Romans 10vs 11 ” For whoever believes on him will not be put to shame”…or vs 13-14 “For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved..but how then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?”……….so if your not calling on Christ then you are not saved. You must believe and obey the gospel (vs 16).

    Quite clearly you are a Universalist friend……..and that is rank Heresy. There is not Universal Salvation. Even many who do not believe in literal eternal punishment but rather annilihationism don’t state that. And your belief also clearly indicates that you see no need for repentance….because sin doesnt exist no more…..because you think Christ’s death wiped sin away for good without the need for belief in Him or repentance….so why repent?? meaning any licentious behaviour in our lives is ok. Let me leave you with this verse then friend….I am not judging where you stand before God but i ask you to consider what John says in 1 John.

    “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”—1 John 1:8.

    Case closed discussion over……

    This comment roll is now also closed as you have had your say (twice) and I have had mine (twice). Further comments will result in a discussion that goes round in circles and goes nowhere. We have both had our say…now I pray that the Holy Spirit may lead you into all truth and away from error.

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